So Mike May and the Gam Jams network want to know what seat I rock.
Truth is, like the Highlander, There Can Be Butt One!
The bottom line is that I'm a FiZik Arione guy and I am not looking back.
Specialized has this theory that the size of a seat needs to match one's sitbone width. My sitbones are about as far apart as Chicago and Millwaukee. Specialized, not surprisingly, makes a seat that would just about fit, being about as wide as Pittsburgh is distant from Cincinatti. I'm not a big fan of that.
No, I'm much more comfortable on the Arione, which is crafted for skinny little bastards. It wedges in between my sitbones, but believe it or not, it's comfortable for me. Like a Lazy Boy. Now saddle fit is a totally individual thing. Expensive doesn't necessarily mean comfortable (though it improves your odds) and cheap doesn't mean uncomfortable. Various design features (like relief slots) don't necessarily make it comfortable and things you think would be awful - like say a prominent leather strip down the middle of a saddle, and two seams - may be unnoticeable. Try before you buy, or at least don't take the tags off and get it dirty if you're going mail order. You just never know how a saddle will fit you. FiZik saddles generally are something I can get behind. (Their peaked or pan-shaped saddles, like the Aliante, not so much).
The Arione fits me perfectly. It's a long saddle, which allows me to slide way forward if I'm grinding hard or way back on long hills. It has "wing flex," which means that pre-cut serrated bits on the edges of the plastic base crack in such a way as to provide a slightly flexible platform under your sitbones. So in spite of being narrower than the gap between rock bottom in my checking account and my mortgage payment each month, the saddle is comfy. It's got thin padding, which, if you've ever ridden in a really nice car, you know if more comfortable in the long run than deep Lincoln Town Car-esque pillows. Plus it comes in a variety of colors and styles, ranging from plain old' black calve's leather (I rock a couple of these) plus a pimptastic white cover (I have one on my crabon fibre bike). It's a great saddle, retailing from around $110 for a basic version up to around $300 for the maxed out carbon / carbon versions. I usually ride the basic stripped down rump version, which has all the comfort features along with durable K'ium rails, whatever the K'ium is. (I think it's made from orphans. Very strong stuff).
The B saddle is the FiZik Rondine. It's FiZik's version of a comfort saddle - wide, wing flexed, and it has a couple little bits of enhanced padding right under the sitbones. I've run it on my mountain bikes and on my Surly Cross Check, and it's superbly comfortable. Right now it's on my cross bike but may migrate back to the fixed Cross Check, because spinning the fixie for two or three hours at a time is tough on the fundament. I'd say the durability is a little low because the leather is starting to separate from the plastic base, but that wouldn't be fair; I've ridden so much on this thing and abused it so badly, that I think it's actually held up really well in the nearly three years I've been riding it so maybe I'm being an ass to complain about it. No tears in the leather, which is remarkable considering how it's been abused The one downer is it came with an integrated bag that clipped nicely into a little bracket underneath the seat; this was really handy to take off for cleaning, but I busted the zipper pretty early on in the thing's life. You can fit a normal tail bag, no problem, but it was a bummer losing that very sano solution to the bag question. It's a good saddle with or without the bag; I just hope they've improved their zippers since they first started including them with the saddle.
In addition to selling comfortable wing flex saddles, I like FiZik because they stand behind their products. A few years back I had one of the original run of Ariones. The plastic base broke right across the middle. Now that was a saddle with flexibility... I was bummed about the prospect of maybe having to buy a new one, and my LBS guy Jon said not to fret, he'd try a warranty claim. He contacted FiZik and they provided a new saddle, no questions asked. They explained that the first run of saddles had a problem with breakage like that, so it was a free (new and improved) saddle for me. That impressed me and I haven't really bothered looking for a new road saddle since that time. (Giant and Redline are two companies that have similarly made good on products I've busted. Being good plus standing behind your product when I blow it apart in the normal (absusive) course of my riding is how to win brand loyalty from me).
The C saddle is a WTB Speed V Pro Gel. It's keeping my ass from hitting the rear wheel on my 29'er. I broke a cheaper version of this inexpensive (~$50) saddle in a big crash on the MTB last summer; this inexpensive replacement has held up much better. Over a couple hours of riding it would probably be pretty uncomfortable, I do not like "love channels" at all because "love channel" in Rouleur speak translates to "taint pincher," but on a single speed mountain bike, you go from seated to standing more than you would at a typical Catholic church service, so comfort is never really an issue. WTBs do have one thing that I find to be a fatal flaw, and that is they always have stitched seams on the sides of the saddle. This is no big deal if you have skinny thighs. If you're the type of person who needs, to put it charitably, Keirin Cut Jeans, these seams will tear out the inside edges of your shorts and wear holes on you inner thighs / hamstrings. They are bad news for me on a road bike, especially on longer rides. On a mountain bike, where I'm constantly shifting position? Not such a bad deal.
For seat posts I rock a generic QBP seatpost on the Surly - it's stout like me - with no complaints. The seat tube on the Giant TCR is a standard, stock Giant carbon fiber tube. Half the carbon seat tubes in the world are probably made in Giant's factory, so call it whatever name brand you like, it's effective and the wide Giant two bolt clamp keeps it safe. I have a stock WTB seatpost on the 29'er. It's durable but has scuffed up pretty easily. When that breaks, I'll replace it with a Thomson Elite like I have on my cross bike. Really, if you need a durable tube that will hold up under any sort of abuse, Thomson is the way to go. It's light, like everything else made by Thomson it costs around $90 (+/- 10%), and it's friggin' bulletproof. Seriously - if a seatpost holds up under my large hindquarters in cross, the most abusive type of riding this side of progressive jumping - then you know it is stout beyond measure. Any bikes I build in the future are getting a Thomson post. The one on my cross bike is the Elite, which is their entry level model (being nothing like anybody else's entry level products, except maybe Ferrari's) and it is a setback post, which is just the ticket for ensuring both efficient power transfer and a low seat height.
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9 comments:
Jim - I used to by saddles from the clearance dump bins at the LBS for $25 or so. I guess I got lucky with the fit for a few years. But then I went on an all day ride and that was the end of that. Next day I was at the LBS and bought an Arione. What a difference! With some items you shouldn't try to be thrifty.
Eric
My CDale came with an arione and I almost got prostititis just from the test ride. I couldn't get down with the no cutout. I guess the way I'm built factored into it, but the raised portion in the middle used to push up against my taint, which is no fun for hours on end. But I loved the clearance that it gave your thighs and the fore-aft shape.
such a personal thing. I rode an arione for 2 years. I don't remember why but I tried the new Specialized and was really happy with it. But what I didn't realize was how happy. After a few months, that bike got hit by a car and so I had to ride my old bike with the Arione for 2 months. I was miserable. I never realized, but I was getting full-on numbness in my "bits and pieces".
Saddles are just too personal to review, I'd suggest
Few relationships are as intimate as that of a rider and his/her saddle...
+1 on the Arione (last 5yrs), after a decade on a Turbo.
My only complaint is that I've split a couple shells (more attributable to my atrocious cyclocross skills).
Wow. +1 on the Arione for some, -1 from others. Amazing how personal of a thing it is. And AH, riding an Arione (or any other by-design flexible saddle) in cross? You're a brave man.
When you find a good saddle, the difference is incredible. I'm a, cough, cough, Clydesdale, too, and have avoided minimalist saddles. After a browbeating at the LBS, I agreed to try a Specialized Phenom.
Wow. It makes no sense, but the thing is the most comfortable saddle I have ever ridden. I'll be buying more. ...er, when that huge bag of money falls out of the sky.
Because it's so personal, though, it's nearly impossible to pick a saddle via recommendations exclusively.
A word about WTB saddles - my old "go to" saddle was the WTB Rocket V. There's a freaking V molded into the nose of the thing, and after years of hard use, the seat cover on all my saddles started to split around the V. I'm not calling out WTB, as I think they make a quality product, but that's the failure mode. A quick glance at their site makes me think they may have addressed the issue, making my point moot.
>>>>the seat cover on all my saddles started to split around the V. I'm not calling out WTB, as I think they make a quality product, but that's the failure mode
You missed a clear and present opportunity to tout the undue stress placed on your saddle, with a V that just isn't big enough to contain your 'junk' but I will let it slip this time.
I have a Rondine on the road bike, a BG rival on the MTB. They keep the twig and berries happy, along with the Mrs.
BTW, why is a seat a saddle and a seat post not a saddle post? Just wondering...
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