Monday, June 16, 2008

Rebuttal

I generally don’t bother arguing with goofball commenters, but a comment to the post below, by “TheTruth” merits it. Apparently, TehTroof's gig involves going around and pissing on people about their low quality lives, bike racing, and blogging. He was happy to stop by here and share his wisdom with us, with some excellent put-downs of my non-excellent blog & brain, so I feel it's necessary to marshal both brain cells in response.

Dude, first off you put Tom Boonen on there who's only positive test came from cocaine in an out-of-competition test. Therefore he is not penalized by WADA or the UCI.

Well, it's true that he *probably* won’t be punished by WADA or the UCI per se. He may still be punished by Belgium’s cycling sanctioning body or anti-doping body because punishment isn’t entirely foreclosed by the WADA Code, so national bodies can impose stricter standards. Cocaine is on the prohibited substances list, but not the "in competition" portion of the list, so it's in a sort of never-never land. There is also the matter of illegal possession of drugs to deal with. It's amazing how dimly sanctioning bodies view illegal drug use, and alleged dealing. The alleged dealing, er, excuse me, "providing," is why Boonen was targeted for an out-of-competition test by the national sanctioning body *and police* in the first place. In the shady, low-due-process world of anti-doping, Boonen isn’t safe from disciplinary action. The national anti-doping and sanctioning bodies are the ones to watch, but in an Olympic year, a "message" suspension from the UCI & WADA wouldn't shock me at all, even though initial comments indicate he probably won't face suspension.

Your retarded.

Nice spelling. Stooping to correct people’s spelling on teh intarwebs is usually bad form, but in this case I’m going to point out that you opened the door by insulting my intelligence. You meant to say, "you are retarded." You probably want to employ a contraction of "you are" (you're) rather than "your," which is merely the possessive form of the second person personal pronoun. I'll use both words in a sentence to help you see the difference: "If you say a bad word about illegal drug use, you're going to draw retarded people to your comment section." See? It's pretty easy. I'd also like to make the peripheral point that many individuals with cognitive impairments find the term "retarded" offensive.

Second, it's poor taste to have Pantani on there as he died from a drug overdose, obviously he was facing some demons. Not to be poked fun of.

Really? I figured that somebody who was caught twice in races with over-the-limit hematocrit levels, one time with a level (60) that isn't exactly achievable without help, merits mention. Yep, nobody proved anything, but I brought him up precisely because his off-the-bike drug of choice is the same as Boonen's. Does it matter that Pantani's depression apparently stemmed from getting thrown out of the Giro for blowing his hematocrit test? Or was he just really f***in’ gifted when he tested with a 60 hematocrit in 1996, and they didn't have tests to detect the presence of EPO? The larger point I'm trying to make is that destroying your life getting caught using EPO isn't a lot different from turning yourself into a coke addict, and seeing Pantani suffering from both problems sort of brought that home for me. Sorry if you find it tasteless; I find the spectacle of people who have everything throwing it all away on drugs to be the tasteless part, a senseless, heartbreaking loss, and I find not speaking up about it to be kind of cowardly. Guess we'll just have to disagree on that.

Then you bust on people who have tested positive or been accused of using drugs and go out of their way to clean up their acts later in their careers- millar, bjarne.
So Bjarne’s cool in your book? I guess he went back in time to award palmares to the racers whose wins he ripped off with his doping, making it all better now?

Not to mention your picking on the best team the US has to offer- slipstream.

First of all, you mis-spell "you're" yet again, and "Slipstream" should be capitalized since it's a proper noun. Seriously, check out Strunk & White's. I wouldn't be picking on you here but isnce you decided to call me various names, some centered on my intellect, well, you sort of asked for it. Second, on the merits, most people would probably say Team High Road - now Team Columbia - is the best U.S. team. Third, how do you figure I’m picking on Slipstream? I’ve got Millar circled, nobody else, and I’m asking a question about whether he's a doping loser at that. Picking on Slipstream would be claiming that their program is a sham or something like that – a statement I’ve not made but which you seem to impute to me. In fact I think Slipstream is doing a great job on and off the bike and wish them all the success in the world. But if Millar and Riis are such friggin’ heroes, why didn’t they fess up before getting busted by the cops and before having their names named by other dopers (in Riis’ case)? You want to see somebody who earns my respect? It will be the first big time pro who realizes what he's doing is wrong, goes public, repents, names names, and walks away from the sport because he feels he's betrayed it, or maybe sticks around like Millar and tries to fix it. *That* will earn my respect. Saying "I'm sorry for taking the cookies" after you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar doesn't cut it. Yeah, I have some more respect for Millar than if he was unrepentant. But I still have a lot of reservations about the guy.

Your not doing the sport any good.

Really? Am I violating the conspiracy of silence here? Seems to me we owe it to the sport to stigmatize the dopers, create peer pressure to encourage them to stop, to let the teams know we fans are sick of them pressuring their riders into doping – yeah, I don’t think it’s a purely individual choice, not from what I’ve heard. You really think the riders and the sport served by our silence? How 'bout the 16 year-old kids on Italian pro developmental teams? You think they're served by fan silence? That’s like keeping quiet when you know a kid in your family is being abused, for fear that reporting the abuse to the cops will only make the abuse worse. I suppose there’s an internal logic there that works in a twisted sort of way but you’re only buying temporary amelioration, in exchange for eventually receiving long term destruction. But hey, if you think it's more honest or in the interests of the sport to remain silent, well, I'll shut up, just like everybody Lance has sued. Y'know. For the good of the sport.

The best part is, at the end of the day,
Yes, at the end of the day… What are you, Michael Ball’s Escalade polisher? That’s the only sports cliché he knows, based on how often he says it. You paying tribute to the guy who hired all the known & suspected dopers? Or are you being unintentionally ironic? 'Cuz that would be funnnn-y.

your still just yet another faget with a blog.

Yes, I am. And you’re just another guy who repeatedly fails to use "you're," employ remotely proper grammar, or spell your anti-gay slurs correctly.

I'll repeat my advice: Strunk & White's. It will totally fix up your major usage problems. I got nothin' for your other problems though.

25 comments:

Big Mike said...

I got nothin' for your other problems though.

I've got something for his other problems, but they won't let me through customs with a 9mm.

THE TRUTH said...

Good job spending 2 hours on that, I didn't read it. Your still a fAgIt.

Chris Mayhew said...

Truf,

You misspelled can't.

Jim said...

Troof, it's always tough to come up with something interesting to post on a rest day, but you hooked me up. I owe you one. You seem awfully sensitive about discussions of in & out-of-competition doping - does it strike a little too close to home for you? Anyhow, thanks for making me laugh and for giving me something to write about.

You and your self-deconstructing comments can go away now. I hear Hoovis is talking shit about dopers, so maybe you can go set him straight. I'm sure he'd love to talk to you.

Boz said...

Jim - I'm not sure why you even dignified Troof's comment with a response. Kind of like dumping more fish guts in the garbage can at the camp ground, it just keeps the bears coming back. That didn't come out right, you're blogs not a garbage can,far frome it, but you get the point. Maybe you could make the word verification a little tougher. No, hold off on that, it might block me out!

DCVelobella said...

Jim, the Truth is he or she ain't worth your time!!! I however greatly appreciate your insight into cycling and your analysis and careful review of all things cycling. Serious. And I made an error, its Cycle Sport not Cycling News that has the interview about Cavendish with Cipo's quote.

I agree about the image part in regards to Boonen, of course I am crushed, I devoted a post to him. I seem to pick all the dopers dagnabit. Basso, Boonen...maybe I need to move onto a different letter of the alphabet like C !!!

Jim said...

Yeah Boz, I was thinking about the word verification being "you're." That would do it. I know I violated the maxim about never wrasslin' a pig (you get dirty and the pig likes it) but like I said it was a rest day.

Bella, thanks, but I'm hoping we get to another B pretty soon, Backstedt. I'm reasonably certain that he's as pure as the driven snow, and a man we can admire. From there... well, Voigt is pretty far down the alphabet, I guess.

See, there's the evil of dopers right there. You just don't know who you can trust. It destroys that bond between the athletes and the fans. Man, there's probably tons and tons of clean pros, but you just can't force yourself believe that. That's so damn depressing and it must suck for them - some pros have probably thought, "what the hell, everybody thinks I'm doping, if I'm going to get blamed for it, might as well do it and get some higher placings." As Millar points out it's a deadly choice that induces dependency and puts everything at stake, but humans are frail and make dumb choices, you know?

THE TRUTH said...

Instead of writing blog entries on your easy day take your family out for ice cream or coffee I'm sure your cycling career won't suffer from the extra time spent on your feet and I don't think any of your loyal readers will give a shit about your opinion on stuff that is talked about too much anyways. After you get ice cream you should delete your blog and realize your still a faggitt.

TerribleTerry said...

roid rage? I do like the ice cream idea though.

Fatguy Racer said...

Looks like So Faux Pro has a whiny little shit for a kid brother.

Jim said...

Terry - probably synthetic testosterone. That's the only thing I can think of that would make a guy brave enough to go around using a pseudonym and insulting people on the internet. like the ice cream idea too.

FGR - aren't you being just a little tough on So Faux Pro? After all, SFP doles out *high quality* abuse, he's frequently intelligent even if he's unduly mean (my only beef with him), he is sometimes pretty funny, and he isn't borderline illiterate. So he's totally different, really.

Fatguy Racer said...

Nahhh. Not being tough on SFP. Trooff is like that annoying little brother who's always stealing his big bro's chops and getting them terribly wrong making big brother look bad by association. So like a big brother should do in this situation I expect SFP (or his proxy) to issue a terrific beat down (virutal or real, i prefer real) on Trooff sometime in the very near future.

Big Mike said...

I thought you'd cured him. Mr The Truth popped his head up out of the trenches for a 3rd time and seemed to be doing so well with the whole your, you're caper. It took him until the last paragraph to turn back into a completely illiterate, gay bashing, d!ckweek.

Jim said...

Jim, you spelled "since" wrong. In your post it was "isnce". I'm surprised Mr./Mrs./Ms. Truth (does he/she have a real name like you?) didn't pick that up.

Hey Truthy-babe...some of these people may have FRIENDS who are INTERESTED in reading what they've been doing.

Jim

WhydoIfindthatironicallyfunny? said...

Oh dear, it seems Troof's blog is gone.

Big Mike said...

WhydoIfindthatironicallyfunny? said...
Oh dear, it seems Troof's blog is gone.


That's sad... his 2 whinge-fest entries were cutting edge sh!t. Without the knife.

Jim said...

Jim, I'm aware of that and noticed it right after I hit the publish button. I decided to leave it to see (1) if Troof was going to pick up on it (answer: no); and, (2) if anybody else would. You did, and you win today's gold star, which means you can work as a crossing guard at the Giro di Coppi. We'll get you a cool orange vest and you can yell at the Cat 1's for crossing the yellow line. It's how I get my jollies. And by the way, thanks for assuming cycling bloggers are socially adept enough to have friends. Other than the VanderKitten chix, I'm not sure that's true, but it's kind of you to think so highly of us.


WDIFTIF - I think the blog was embarassed for itself and left of its own accord. I guess if we were having a Jerk Contest, I won that round.

Mike - now you're just piling on.

So Faux Pro said...

Just to clear up any possible confusion or misconception, we at So Faux Pro wish to state categorically that we have nothing to do with, and do not condone, The Truth and/or his ridiculous screeds. Tough love is one thing, ranting lunacy quite another. (who calls people "faggit" anymore? That's so 6th grade.)

Sticking to the high road,
--SFP

Anonymous said...

Jim, the only thing you forgot was "Now go away or I shall have to taunt you a second time."

The Captain said...

excellent post. i normally avoid bike blogs for the very reasons SFP highlights so well, but i was told i would like this one.

one tiny little correction: david millar was ratted out. i forget by whom but i think he was buttbuddies with vandenbroucke. millar's reaction was to scream loudly and publicly about what a f&#*ing liar the guy was, and only confessed AFTER being arrested and shaken down by da fuzz.

so yeah, it always drove me nuts when people whinged about what a "hero" david millar is, when in truth, he's the same lying, cheating sack of shit as the rest of the eurotrash.

oh, and Troof? since i know you're still sitting down there in your mother's basement talking tough to your computer and checking up on these comments - and i am only saying this because i care - there's a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market that are just as tasty as the real thing.

Jim said...

I shall wear my orange vest with zeal. Perhaps even a little over-zeal.

I assumed seeing as a) I am a cyclist, and b) I have friends, that everybody would. Not that most of my friends care what I do on a bike, long as I dont get killed.

Jim

Pete said...

Can we please stop with the "YOUR GRAMMAR IS NOT CORRECT, THEREFOR MY ARGUMENT WINS" theme? Come on, this is the internet (no space for whiners)!


P.S. I got a kick out of the Fail cyclists :D

Jim said...

SoFauxPro, I did stand up for you - noted, I hope.

Pete - I wouldn't have mentioned it but it was so egregious that something had to be done. Besides, you shouldn't call somebody retarded using a sentence with two or three fairly obvious grammatical errors. There's something very wrong with that, and that is something up with which I shall not put, as Churchill said about somebody else's bad grammar.

Kyle Jones said...

Hey Jim, wow you got a lot of hits on this. I will have to say with the effects of doping on your body and how it can change your body for the rest of your life you should be called a doper no mater what you preach. Steroids have a changing effect for the rest of your life and you will always have its changes. If it improves your performance even though you stopped taking it 2,3, or even 10 years ago it still gave you the edge that you do not earn genetically like the rest of us honest smucks. I have told you I have probably one of the worst vo2s in the sport but I am not going to do anything but train to improve that number. This is why I am for a zero tolerance policy. I know it is unfair for the little deviations with all the drugs out there. But the guys who have doped have ruined it for the rest.

Btw I wanted to forward you this pic of the truth. http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2008/6/40jun18-tough-guys.jpg

Do not take what I say seriously because I am just another Cat 4 blogger.

Anonymous said...

jim, I love your blog but I think that generally the best policy is to ignore the trolls. I run my own blog and I am cool with people posting thoughts that are contrary to mine but once homophobic slurs and basically stupid name calling comes into play, it is all about the delete function.

Keep up the good work and ignore the trolls.